The Priest in a Synagogue

The Halacha should dictate the answer will consider the Rabbi and shul members, once their opinion is voiced, then the time and venue can be decided.

How sad that this should even be an issue. After suffering from centuries of predjudice ...are we no better than this? He was an invited guest of this shul...easy for others to second guess the decision.

Shalom ! I agree with Rabbi Salomon , Synagogue it's not a place for Catholic priest , But , in this case could be exeption , becouse this a special event/reason. I'm myself , by born a Catholic, but if I have a chance I will be a convert for a Judaism and join Jewish Community. Thank You !

After all he's only speaking about his praisworthy work and is not trying to convert anyone. Why is everyone so sensitive about this? Are we really so weak in our own faith that we can't deal with an outsider? I hope this priest didn't hear about this controversy as Jews could use some friendship in the outside world.

I wonder what is the law? Why are feelings so important these days? The world of emotion and sentimentality belongs to the secular world. It's a shame to see what's fashionable there currently, affect Judaism, which should be separate. Also, critically, the man was not preaching.

I have heard of this priest and the amazing work he is doing. I would be conflicted under other circumstances, but considering he is doing work that is honouring Jews and their memory, I think it would be a kiddush Hashem to have him speak, even on a Shabbat after services. Assuming, of course - and I assume this man would respect this - that the priest speaking makes no references to Jesus in a way that sounds coercive, and that he only speaks about the work he is doing. We can't always know God's intention, right? Perhaps hearing this man speak after a Shabbat service would be just what a Jew needs to hear to get him/her interested in a similar project, or a related project, or to go talk to his Holocaust-survivor great-aunt that he's never given the time of day to before. Who knows?

It doesn't matter that he is a priest, he is doing good to the Jews (or to other human beings) and he should be honored. Jews love people from all religions and walks of life. He did not preach in the synagogue but simply talked about his amazing work.

MY OPINION IS THAT THIS IS ALL WONDERFUL YET I DONTFEEL A SHUL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. A SHUL IS A VERY HOLY PLACE. WE DAVEN, SAY KADDISH,LEIN AND ESPECIALLY DUCHEN. WE BOW TO THE ROBBONO SHEL OLAM IN SHUL.

Are you so wrapped up in dogma that you have lost all common-sense? Do you think G-d would be upset with this man for telling his story anywhere? The fact we are even discussing this is an embarrassment to Jews. We should be eternally grateful for what he is doing and welcome him anywhere, anytime.

my answer is NO. it is a great thing for him to go and try to recover parts of our history, but at the end of the day the target of the church is to bring Jews (G-d forbid) there and this is not a good idea to have him on Shabbat. However it might make great presentation for midweek lecture.

A synagogue is just a building, a priest is just a man. Get over yourselves. You people are worried that his mere presence will cause you to convert. Seriously? Methinks the people protesteth too much. Stop blaming this man for the Crusades and the Inquisition. He was just talking. Incidentally, the priests that were my grandfather's patients knew more talmud than the average Reform Jew. I've been to events in mormon, catholic and ther churches. Somehow, 45 minutes there did not cause me to embrace the trinity. Focus on something else, OK?

It's not about worrying that this man will cause someone to convert. It's about whether or not it is respectful to the observance of Shabbat to have a priest speak in shul on Shabbat. The history of the church with regards to Jews legitimately causes many people discomfort. This is not something to dismiss lightly, since the history is not so far distant for many people.

The Rabbi of the shul explained how it was all done according to Halacha. The priest was not in clerical clothing, he did not preach religion. He was invited in after the davening was done and all the Jewish artifacts (Torah, Tallis) were put away. By criticizing the motives of the Rabbi and shul in question we are missing the true mission of this man. He is a true ohev yisroel and is doing something that the Jewish community probably should have attempted to do. By attacking his motives and the shul in question we're just ignoring the true chesed being done here.

This was a subject of major controversy here in San Antonio (in the interest of full disclosure, I moved to San Antonio after the following events happened so I'm giving over the descriptions of others). Pastor John Hagee, who is a MAJOR supporter of Israel and founder of CUFI (Christians United For Israel) and a significant donor to the Orthodox Synagogue in town, was asked to speak after Shabbos services. Many people were offended that he sat next to the Rabbi and spoke from the "pulpit" (as if there is some holiness to the podium). When his name was included prominently on the Synagogue wall honoring all the donors many long standing members left the Synagogue never to return. Of course I don't agree with Pastor Hagee's theology, but he has done tremendous things for Jews and for Israel. If we can show him respect and honor without violating Jewish law by letting him speak to the congregation, I would argue that not only are we allowed to do so, but a sense of hakaras hatov would obligate us to do so.

The priest is to be highly commended for his extraordinary work. However, those who are truly interested in hearing what he has to say can make the effort to hear him during the week, preferably in another venue.

What is the big deal? The man is talking about his investigation on yet another crime against the Jewish people. He is not saying Mass. He is not preaching or proselitizing. He may go as far as saying that, as a Christian, it is his duty to uncover that heinous part of history, but I think he would be sensible enough to avoid saying or doing anything offensive. The synagogue is the cultural center of Jewish life, so the place is appropriate. Shabbat, however, before or after prayers, should be a day of happiness, and the topic is far from joyful. Only in that sense would the timing be inappropriate. What really bothers me is: why haven't WE undertaken this search? What, no Jew kew about this massacre before the priest uncovered it? Really?! Does he have any ulterior motives? Who knows... And, if he does, who is to say those motives are evil? Perhaps it is time for the Jewish wold to reconsider its tendency to excessive suspiciouness. There are lots of people of good will out there treading the path of the justs. The zealots are even driving away those millions of Jews trying to come back home. As a cryptojew trying to return, I frequently get the door slammed on my nose. Among anusim this is common occurence. Quite unfortunate!

I have no idea what message this priest conveyed in his speech but his actions demonstrate that Hashem is moving on his heart. I would bet dimes to dollars that he is of Jewish heritage and doesn't even know it. Help him come home. As for the timing of the speech. My answer is NO. Not on Shabbis With a few learned compassionate for Torah individuals

More converts have been made by the Catholic Church through acts of charity than any other way. This is their way. They are not like the Evangelical Christians who preach to you about their faith. Catholics are quite subtle. They build a school or they build a hospital or they have a Father Dubois who does some good work which makes the Catholic faith more friendly. I bet that now you are thinking that Catholics are not such a bad lot. Why not forget about their plan to place Jerusalem under their jurisdiction to resolve that age old issue. Why have they not stopped the canonization of the WWll Pope? I can keep going but all of a sudden note how our perceptions begin to change based on 1 person doing something decent. What I find puzzling is how Father Dubois has the conscience to do what he does. Does he not realize that the Jews could have converted to his religion and they would not have been murdered. But, they did not. They stayed true to not committing idolatry! Yet, here he is committing idolatry on a regular basis, knowing that these people died for that very reason and he has the gall to enter their place of worship? I am speaking of historical time here. Does this not bother anybody else? If the man were truly interested in doing a service he would not be doing what he is doing in a place of worship out of respect for the faith of those who were murdered.

@Anonymous 2:33 pm 1230/11 You err when you write: 'Does he not realize that the Jews could have converted to his religion and they would not have been murdered.But, they did not. They stayed true to not committing idolatry! " Such was the hatred of Nazis for Jews that it made no difference to them whether a Jew converted to Xtianity or not. Being a Jew was defined by the Nazis "racially" more than through religion, and one could not escape having a Jewish identity through baptism. Even Xtians who had a Jewish father or even who had one-quarter Jewish descent on their paternal side were deemed to be tainted by Jewish blood by the Nazis, despite the fact that they weren't halakhically Jewish and were raised as Xtians since infancy. While it's also true that many Jews survived by forging documents that said they were born Xtian and had no Jewish roots, merely converting to Xtianity was not enough to save Jews in the Shoah. The Nazis wanted to exterminate ALL Jews, religious, secular, hassidish, Ashkneaizi, Sepharadi, and even people of 1/4 Jewish ancestry who believed in Jesus.

Investigate the man.

Rabbi Salomon, you do like to stir the pot! I can understand your confusion about what the right thing to do would be. In truth, there is probably more than one correct choice. It depends on the community and the usual agenda of the synagogue. If a synagogue is in the habit of having speakers of "all walks of life", speak on Shabbos, after the prayer services are over, and if the person is speaking about something that will enrich and/or educate the congregants, then it would be appropriate to have someone that is doing a chessed for the Jewish community and the world at large, speak. In general, however, shul on Shabbos and any prayer time, should be aimed at prayer and divrei Torah. Perhaps a more appropriate venue for a person who so richly deserves recognition would be a breakfast or a tea, in his honor. Someone that works to bring truth to light, is a righteous person. As long as they aren't trying to sell an unwanted product, they should be welcomed, even in a synagogue. Hatzlocho rabba, Tzippy

Personally, it doesn't bother me. However, given that some people were uncomfortable with it, I believe that the time and/or place should have been changed.

Around a century ago, a Catholic Bishop requested permission to give a speech to a Reform synagogue. When he finished speaking, a quarter of the Reform congregation went to the church and converted. Should we permit them to do it again?

As long as he is not talking about converting people. The subject he was talking about was to effect many people and a time for accountability, sorrow and healing. People should hear the out reach this man is doing. Is not a synagog a house of prayer? what a better place to address the past. Mrs. Jeannette Zipes

Our synagogue (Conservative) has a program where the Rabbi and preachers switch places and give sermons. I find this very uncomfortable and don't attend. I have no problem with a good man of any faith coming to the synagogue and speaking in the social hall, but not during services. It gives the impression that we accept the theology of another faith if we incorporate it into our services. With one doctrine of Christianity being to missionize to Jews, that is an impression we do not need to give.

This priest is doing a wonderful work and we should let him come in to our synagogue especially on such a holy and powerful day in order to give him the great respect that he deserve and show him how grateful we really are for what his doing to our nation.

I was raised an catholic. If I was an priest the only way that I might have done this is after shabbat services were over. and then only on permission that all the others would agree. if there was another place to do it I would out of respect of the jewish people. this would be foremost in my mind.

I presently continue to identify myself as a Conservative Jew, (on a Journey), as I have been attending an OU Shul most Shabbat's for many months, this video shocked me. It sounds like a conversation about an event at a Conservative Synagogue. I never would have expected to hear this was an Orthodox Synagogue on Shabbat. I find this most distrubing, and sad. Even a Modern Orthodox Synague facing interfaith community issues should know better to do this on Shabbat. Once again I see the lines of Traditional Observance being destroyed in our modern society.

You must think of the many JEWS and G-d and not the xtian since there are other avenues which you mentioned. Sidenote: Until the Catholics return our Toys, the Pope should be outlawed from going to the Kotel also.

I don't think that following Shabbat morning prayers is necessarily the right time to discuss Holocause-related issues. We don't mourn on Shabbat. Assuming that the priest did not preach Christian theology and only discussed the historical significance of his work, I don't see a reason to ban him from the synagogue. If he'd been invited on Holocaust remembrance Day to speak, it would have been appropriate. Any day other than Shabbat, would have been better.

No one wants to come straight out and say, this is against Jewish Law in the Sanctuary. It's against Canon Law for a non Catholic to speak during mass or after the prayers that sends one forth into the world. There are Synagogues that don't follow the complete Jewish Law. That's the controversy of discussing this issue, is about the Jewish Community, and what is proper or not. If Catholics are offended by the implication that it was improper, they also need to look into their Canon Laws. Otherwise, we wouldn't of had this lengthy discussions of thoughts and feelings, where alot of non Jews have entered the discussion, and various Synagogues affiliation. Rabbi Heshie Billet felt it would be good for his congregation to have Father Patrick be a guest speaker for the day. Did he follow Jewish Law? That's what the discussion in the Jewish Community is talking about, without coming straight out and saying it. The inter-faith dialogue didn't happen in a Synagogue, agree that isn't the right place for that either. Heshie Billet, you made arrangements to accommodate your congregation, if this wasn't a controversy issue, you wouldn't of had to plan that weeks ahead! Please realize we are discussing what is proper or not, we are not picking on you as a person, as I'm sure your heart was in the right place for inviting Father Patrick into the Sanctuary for Shabbat. Aish needs to write an article over the righteous deeds of Father Patrick so we all can give honor to the man in a forum that isn't discussing Jewish Law, for this isn't about him whether it was proper or not that he accepted the invite, he doesn't have to keep Jewish Law.

Although I understand the thoughts behind having the priest speak to a Jewish group, I strongly disagree with the time and place it was done in. Christianity is a form of Avodah Zarah (which is why a Jew is forbidden from entering a church). Having a priest, even one as praiseworthy as this one, speak in a shul, and especially on Shabbas which is something that seperates Jews from other nations, is entirely inappropriate.

Synagogues should be open to all good people. perhaps he should not be allowed on the bimah to give his speech and as long as he doesn't preach Christian theology , I have no problems with him......Harry

I agree with Reuven, any congregation should warmly embrace this man, Priest or not, for the work he is doing. Was he in the synagogue to preach a sermon ? No. Was he there seeking to convert Jews ? From what you said, no. So, where is the conflict ? Attitudes like this tend to move us farther from the Nations rather than closer.

What is the problem???? Here is a man (Catholic priest or not) who is doing amazing work FOR US JEWS - and we have the cheek to even ask whether his speaking in a shul on Shabbat is a problem?? What is wrong with us??? Are we that close - minded? No wonder we experience anti-Semitism if this is the attitude that we walk around with! Like our rabbis, this is a man of G-d - and one who is surely doing G-dly work. I only have praise for what he is doing and beg my fellow Jews to open their minds!!

I know the work made by the priest, and there is no politic at all. For me the question is: what should we think about G-d´s thoughts on that matter. And I imagine he is delighted about jews and catolics meeting toghether in a SInagogue. I don´t think it just happened for a long period of time ... I am a catholic, and I feel more close with my brother jewish people when I pray with a Hebrew book of prayers...

Your question is indeed very interesting. It is also an opportunity to examine our beliefs and our fears. Assuming that there is no Hallachic issue here, there are some collateral questions that we might ask to discover WHY we feel uncomfortable. How would we feel if the discussion were about the work of a Jew? What if the Rev. Desbois were merely a Catholic, but not a priest? If he were Protestant, would it make a difference? How about Muslim? Are we concerned that he wants to proselytize? Are we unsure of our own beliefs, so we wish to avoid other points of view that may turn us in another direction? I can relate that I am personally uncomfortable when I enter a church. I can say that I was very uncomfortable when I was in Germany on business. I can tell you that have worked with people of many cultures and religions without a problem, but when I enter a house of worship, it feels foreign and strange. (It even feels strange when I enter a synagogue – and I say that as one who is fluent in Hebrew and worked closely with orthodox friends.) Without delving into why this is so, I can say with confidence that these feelings have more to do with ME than with the sources of my discomfort. History is important. Context is important. But the baggage that I carry from my life experience is most important. There is no need for emotional objectivity, just recognition that we are all merely human, and we shouldn’t project our fears onto others who deserve better.

I agree absolutely with those comments that supported the priest's visit. That way the max number of people would be likely to hear him. I was interested to note that this is even worthy of a comment by the rabbi but, I suppose, there are some people who might have an issue, as suggested by one or two of the comments here. However, I am guessing that the majority of readers here do not necessarily represent the majority of Jewry.

My name is Reuven and I am an observant Jew living in Los Angeles. I studied at Ohr Somayach and at Aish and I am a fan of your postings. However, for the first time I not only disagree with you, I strongly disagree with you. While neither I nor anyone else can know the mind of G-d, my strong hunch is that He looks down on Father Patrick Debois and the work he's doing on behalf of murdered Jews with such high regard that there probably isn't an adequate adjective in any language to describe it. To focus on the fact that he is a "priest" is to erroneously focus on externalities and our past relationship with the Catholic Church as an entity. It's crucial that we as Jews can be discerning enough to view individuals - especially remarkable ones like Father Debois - for what they are - heroes worthy of any honor we can bestow on them. I only hope the synagogue was holy enough to have him.

It would have been an honor to have him speak at my Synagogue, Temple Emanu-El in Honolulu. He would have been warmly welcomed & honored for the incredible work in which he is engaged.

Assuming that the Priest was invited to discuss his important work, what is the problem? He was not there to proselytize! Sometimes we Jews are our own worst enemies! He is doing a tremendous mitzvah that only benefits us, the Jews! He was not speaking in the middle of davening, but afterwards. I really don't see an issue. This man is a righteous gentile and should be honored by Jews who have suffered throughout history. I say "kol hakavod" to the synagouge that invited him to speak!

I am neither a Christian nor a Jew, although I have been following the precepts of Judaism for the past 37 years, and therefore I am not knowledgeable in this subject. Having said this, in my very basic understanding of Judaism, Shabbat is set aside for prayers, study of Torah and anything relating to studies that will enhance our knowledge of G.od and bring us closer to Him. For this reason I tend to think that it would have been best to invite Rev. Desbois on any other day but Shabbat. It is however a very tough call which possibly only the expert can decide upon. And yes, the Reverend is doing an excellent job and should be recognized by the Jewish community for the good work he has and is doing.

Anyone should be welcome in the synagogue so long as he or she comforts themself in a civil manner. He should have received a standing ovation. To do otherwise flies in the face about Jewish law and welcoming guests. A synagogue is not the temple. It is a meeting house of the people. It could be in a tent, or in an open field

This man is doing a mitzvah of great worth How can we not recognise this Speak in shul and on Shabbat Of course!Speak of his deeds,of his inspiration in doing what he did - and not for his own people - surely,surely this is a great soul Why not recognise that There is far greater possibility that this man will be impressed by the beauty and depth of our prayers than we will be of his religion I repeat I would not have him speak in front of the Aron but in the body of the shul ,yes No problem !

I feel it could be done on any other than a shabbat my gut feelings. Shabbat is a very holy day for me to meet with G-d Not to hear some-ones good deeds or some thing. Please keep the shabbat holy as I am holy says G-d.please keep this in mind. we need to seek hashem with all our hearts not with some one like this no matter how good or bad that person is. Please ! Abram

I agree with you that since there are issues with having a priest speak in a synagogue, I would opt to have him speak at a forum on Sunday night or a weekday night in the social hall of the shul; however given the significance of what this priest has done, I definitely think there should be a forum for him to be heard, by a Jewish audience.

This is the second time I have disagreed with you. The first was the vodka ad that promised "Christmas quality with Hanukkah prices," a clearly anti-Semitic statement implying that Jews are cheap and make shoddy merchandise. This is a man who has done enormous good for the Jewish community. It is clear to me that you cannot distinguish your friends from your enemies. Let him speak about his work and to as many Jews as he can. It is good to know that they all don't think of us as penny pinchers, unlike the creators of the vodka ad. In the future, I will skip your comments.

To me, this seems very simple. Father Dubois is a man of God, doing the work of God, and for the Jewish people as well! We Jews don't have a secret society. Not only was it just fine for him to speak at a synagogue after prayers, I'll go further and say it would've been a SIN to not allow him to speak in a synagogue after prayers because he was a Catholic! We all work for God. Some of us choose different paths. None of us have control over what happened in the past.

Father Desbois has done more than most Jews to bring to light the depravity of Christians during the Holocaust. And now, we descendants of those murdered Jews, find religious reasons to keep him from speaking in shul on Shabbos?

What harm was done by allowing this priest to speak? None that I can determine. Was his presence after the prayers demeaning or sadreligious? Perhaps his message got to some who needed to hear what he had to say. Sometimes we get so caught up in our religiosity that we really can't "see the forest for the trees."

Dear Rabbi Salomon, Your weekly editions of this video are very meaningful and thoughtful. Could you please address the situation of Naama Margolis and Tania Rosenblit? This is a issue of crucial importance and you are well versed to address it. Thanks for considering this request. Sincerely, Rivka

I think, I do not have much right to say a comment,but I want to.Priest Patric a great man and we must apreciate with all our heart to give Thank You! The Jewish Centre is a great place to invite speakers and there the non observant jews can hear Pries Patric too. In this case the relationship can go deeper in dicussion.My husband is not a jew, but a Presbiteryan Minister and a scholar.His father was the same.Their Family saved jews from nazis.From Him I have heared, that the catholics are not allowing to speak any other priest to speak from their pulpit.Lately it is a practice. In our case a different issue.We do not accept Jesus as son of G-d.The Bimah only those who beleive in Hashem the King of the Universe and only ONE, nobody beside Him.There is a lots of way to give Thank You Pries Patric and can talk to us and have true friendship. I am a Law keper. / I am trying/ Thank You Pries Patric!

THE MINISTER CAN SPEACH ABOUT THE HOLUCAUST,HE IS NOT PRECHING CATOLICISM. RESPECT FOR THIS MAN HE RESPECT THE WHOLE JEWISH POEPLE.HE CAN SPEND HIS TIME SEARCHING PROOF FOR THE HOLOCAUST,WE CAN NOT ALOW HIM IN THE SINAGOGUE? COMEON PEOPLE.WE NEED FRIENDS ,NOT ENEMIES ,WE HAVE ENOUGH ENEMIES.

You say that you’re not discussing the halachic aspect of the issue and not discussing whether the law permits it or not. You say that you don’t have the authority (I guess that means competence) to pronounce one way or another in regard to the matter’s halachic ramifications. But I don’t understand: What else is there to discuss? Either it is halachically permitted or it is not. All that needs therefore to be done is to ascertain which way the halachic decision goes; and that will settle it. Period. The question needs to be put to someone like Rav Dovid Feinstein shlita or Rav Hershel Schachter shlita or Rav Yisroel Belsky shlita or someone of comparable stature, who will render a psak, which is to say a verdict. And that should end all speculation on the matter once and for all. I get the sense also that you have a rather narrow conception of what enters into the purview of halacha – as if to say that, after the halachic status of something or another has been resolved, there still remain other moral criteria on the basis of which it may be further adjudicated. But this isn’t so. Halacha is all encompassing: it leaves nothing out of the picture. It is the be-all and end-all of moral propriety!

We expect to be honoured as human beings irrespective of creed,colour or racial origin.There is no place for a debate of this kind.. Are we to return to the Dark Ages and still consider whether a person of this calibre should be invited to talk in a synagogue??IAT A TIME WHEN THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS BEING DE-LEGITIMISED, THE OCCURRENCE OF THE HOLOCAUST IS BEING DENIED, WHEN JEWS IN MANY PLACES IN EUROPE , WALK ABOUT FEARFUL OF THEIR SAFETY, A PERSON OF SUCH REFINEMENT AND COURAGEOUS PURPOSEFULNESS SHOULD BE WELCOMED AND HONOURED,WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED.

Remember - God said " I will bless them that bless you and Will curse them that curse you". So I say, don't be hasty in condemning that particular synagogue or the Rabbi for their choice to invite the priest to speak. I am not forgetting what horrors the church of Rome perpetuated against Jews or against Protestants for that matter. But shouldn't we accept those who love Jacob, and fear the Lord, and in turn show respect towards them? Shouldn't we bless them as God does? Instead, we push friends away and try to befriend those who only want us dead.

Great response.

A Catholic family in Holland took my wife, when still a very small child, into their home during the years of the Holocaust. It would be a honour to have one of them speak in the Synagogue(Orthodox) I attend, be it on Shabbat or any other day including Yom Kippur !

This not our house it is God's house and he is doing God's work. He should speak and all should listen. Learning is a two way street not just my way or the highway. If you have ever served you have no doubt that if you were hurt and needed comfort one would not give a darn what faith a Chaplain was for he is there to serve all the troops not just his own followers. Give me a break. I say God bless that Priest for he is what this world is to be about.

He should be commended and celebrated for his work. It should be publicized and people should know about it. However on Shabbat and in the synagogue are both the wrong time and the wrong place. Let's hear more of him and his work in better fora.

As long as you know in advance what he'll speak about, it shouldn't matter who he is, as long as the subject isn't offensive to our Jewish beliefs.

I come down fairly close to you. I would not object to him speaking on Shabbat, but not from the bima, and after the conclusion of Musaf, i.e. after services.

I think it was ok. Pope John Paul II prayed with the Rabbi in a Rome Synagogue. He is not here promoting his faith only his work. They may be and far between. A lot of them look to convert us but this one may shine out. We shall see in the end.

Father Desbois was not appearing to talk about his vocation or about religion in general or Catholicism in particular. He was there to talk about a subject that he rightly sees as very important to Jews. Shabbat is supposed to be spent learning, and I'm sure his talk was very educational. Would it be inappropriate for a rabbi to give a talk at a Catholic church on a Sunday after Mass? I don't think so.

What a person believes is no reason he can't speak in Shul on Shabbat. He did NOT try to influence Jews to accept Xtian beliefs. The only problem is - is remembrance of the holocaust in such terms appropriate for Shabbat? Well Ashkenazi Jews say Av Horachamim, in memory of mass murder of Jews ages ago. Perhpas the reason is - because only on Shabbat is the whole congregation present. So today also, the memory of the holocaust may be related to on Shabbat. If people feel uncomfortable - that is OK. Not everything we do has to make us comfortable. There are things more important than being comfortable. Honoring a Hassid Umot Haloam - a righteous gentile - is much more important.

I personally know that he is making a fortune off of the Jews looking to find these mass graves and The kiruv workers in Ukraine that are trying to build and save the living Jews are having the hardest time supporting their organizations. Why are we giving a non-jew that is living in the past money over our own that are trying to build the future? Speaking on Shabbos or not, is not the real question. Past or future is the real question.

The priest, evidently a very fine individual, didn't wear his collar/robes; didn't proselytize; didn't discuss the Church or its beliefs; didn't lead prayers. He was invited to talk about his project, a very admirable one, and that's exactly what he did. Where's the conflict?

In matters of human gestures one must not be sectarian. The western civilization is a Jewish-Christian one, therefore we should always welcome a person of faith to pray for those unfortunate people murdered for being Jews, specially in a synagogue.. I would embrace Rev. Desbois should he pray in Auschwitz for my family.

It is totally inappropriate to speak of death on Shabbat and especially of the horrific Jewish deaths at the hands of the german beasts and their fellow travelers. Shabbat is a day of rest and joy for the Jewish people. As a rabbi you know this should override any other question. I believe the comments on this board support what I am saying. The second question as to a priest speaking in a synagogue is more complicated. Yes, he should be able to speak as long as he is not preaching his doctrine. He should not speak from the Bima but in another room not associated with the Torahs.

Dear Rabbi, If you have any concern to what happened in that synagogue, send a letter there, I think not everything should be discussed publicly on youtube. What about Chilul Hashem? From another point of view, if you don't have a strong position on this matter, you might not be the best to speak about it. Then, it's pointless to even mentioning it. Yes, community leaders and Rabbis have a huge responsibility over his work, but surprisingly its scope is totally small in comparison to a Rabbi Speaking on behalf of the biggest Online Jewish Community ( Youtube!!) about it. So, they may have erred, and they should analyze 10 times before taking any decision on behalf of their community, but you should analyze 1 million times before posting to youtube aish, don't you think? I can tell you my personal opinion privately, that's the way all of this should be handled. Chachamim Tizharu Vedibrechem Shemah tachovu chovat galut... Zadok and Baytos were students form Antignos ish socho. look what happened. With all my respect and honor, iair.

I also am somewhat conflicted about a Catholic (a Christian, a gentile) speaking in a Synagogue on the Sabbath. I speak as a gentile, and a Roman Catholic, myself. I accept that the holiness of God is not limited to the Synagogue. I accept that Patrick Desbois is holy, not by virtue of being a Christian or a priest, but by virture of the holiness of his creator and sustainor. I agree that the work that Patrick Desbois is doing is noble and holy work, not just on behalf of those Jews who were killed, or those Jews who suffered this loss then and still suffer the pains of this monumental tragedy, but because all humanity cries out for reconciliation to this trauma. Yet, as meritous as this work and as needful it is to be acknowledged, as as holy as a creature of God as Patrick Dubois is, I naturally withdraw, not from his presence, but his action in such a holy space at a holy time. To my mind, the Synagogue is not just a liturgical space on holy days. Rather, it is a sacred Jewish space for those of the common fellowship. He may be a friend, perhaps a valued or cherished friend, but he is not of the fellowship.

The question is a little wrong.Should 'a priest' vs 'this priest' is the question. As far as I am concerned this priest should be allowed. His actions, thoughts, and this amazing activity alone should qualify him. An eg. Many non Jews hid and protected Jews during W W 2. If many years later at ANY kind of occasion a non Jew met up with his Jewish saved person, every honour would / was bestode even if it meant a shul occassion. And you find the Rabbi who would refuse??!!!??

One of the problems I have with organized religions that hold law over love and compassion is the "My way or the highway." thinking. We are all children of a living and loving God. Perhaps if we spent more time honoring this precept, the world would be less divided. By allowing a priest to speak in a synagogue, a rabbi to speak in a cathedral, as well as leaders of others religious sects, we would be able to better understand and support one another. I applaud the synagogue who allowed the priest to speak. What an act of moral courage!

we like what you're doing, but we don't want you to talk to us here. That's almost funny. I wonder how many people that he interviewed in Belarus were being interviewed on the Shabbat? To anonymous calling my faith insane - I again wonder how many of us "insane" ones sheltered those "sane" ones who were refugees from persecution & death in Europe:?

John-- Agreed, 100%. I'd be honored to shake this man's hand, and would be delighted to host him in my synagogue, with or without his collar.

Asking a priest to lead the davening, or offer the dvar Torah would have been wrong. Asking this man, who has done a great and noble thing to speak on a topic of interest to everyone in the shul, after the service has concluded, is perfectly acceptable (and has nothing to do with the service other than a convenient proximity in time). What is truly upsetting is the fact that people need to have this angst-laden discussion at all. I understand everyone's sense of history, etc., but I think we're in a place and time when there is no need to perpetuate or encourage ancient hostilities. A hand of friendship has been extended-- we should be big enough to accept it with kindness and gratitude.

I love the idea of a priest speaking in a synagogue and I would love a rabbi to come and speak at my Catholic church. Brings to mind the delightful song "Getting to Know You, Getting to Know All About You." The problem with the world today is separatism, suspicion. What we don't realize is that we are all more the same than we are different. I grew up in West New York New Jersey. It was a melting pot of nationalities. I'm of Italian descent and my best friend was a beautiful girl named Lillian Mustafa. I knew she wasn't Italian nor was she Catholic, but we loved eachother and were friends for a long time. My mama was the best cook in the world (I know most everyone says that about their Mom but Anna Guido definitely was) and our house always had an aroma like Mama Leone's restaurant, but she and her Jewish girlfriends loved exchanging recipes and spending quality time together. What am I trying to say, OK I guess it just boils down to the fact that at 81 years of age I realize that the secret to a beautiful life is that four letter word "LOVE". Happy Holidays Rabbi Salomon. Ciao Loretta De Rosso Pompton Plains, New Jersey

Sh'ma Yisrael ! Listen people - there is only one G_d, right? Is s/he the G-d of ALL people or just Jews? If this man came (and on top of it made the effort Not to come in his priest robes) to speak of this amazing project - do you REALLY think that G-d objects ???? I think HaShem would be Very pleased to have more Brotherly inter-actions between peoples of ALL religions! by what right is a Respectuous non-jew not "worthy" of coming into a house of G_d and speaking after a service ? The Jewish people need all the friends they can get. This man has done something fabulous with his research. There is no need to create a Tempest in a Teacup. Hineh Ma TOV umanayim shevet achim gam yachad. How good it is for people to come together as brothers (and sisters) - yes ???? Its time to open our hearts and minds to other people, even if we wish to maintain certain traditions.

Of course it is correct to let a priest or minister of another religion speak in a synagog, on Shabbes, after prayers, as distinguished from his conducting servicea or administering sacraments of another religion on such occasion. Are we afraid that the Jews attending the synagog are so insecure in their adherence to Judaism that they will convert? One of the most moving experiences in my life occured about 20 years ago in Temple Sholom, Chicago, when Joseph Cardinal Bernadin, Archbishop of Chicago, spoke on a shabbes morning and he began his address by saying: " I am Joseph, your brother..." The reference to Genesis was perfect as he apologized for the Church's wronngs done the Jews over the centuries.

He's doing holy work which crosses religious lines. So why not hear him in a holy place on a holy day?

Rev. Patrick Desbois is made of greatness. We all are but this man has done something about it. He is reaching to achieve his potential. Unfortunately, speaking at a synagogue diminishes his important message. We've seen where this has taken us, away from the message and onto a discussion far removed. It would have served all of us better if he was honored or spoke at a neutral place.

I speak as a Jew who understands the horrors committed by the Church against the Jewish people down through the centuries. But, the answer is clear: Yes - so long as he is not performing any "priestly" function and/or proselytizing. He can (and should) be welcomed into the synagogue as would any other guest by the congregation. Suppose, instead of this subject this priest were there solely to express gratitude to the Jews for being a lamp unto the nations and to show the particular ways by which the Church has benefited by and matured through Jewish teachings. Would the feelings in your gut be any different? Would the time and place for his "thanks" be of concern? Considering the Church's evil past, should its repentence - no matter its magnitude - be repudiated?

i dont think its ok for him to speak at the synagogue he is still a genil and they still beleve we are going to hell because we dont beleve in thier so called god

I can understand why people would think it is not appropriate however, given that he was bringing absolute truth on a day in which the Torah is read which is our absolute truth I think it is ok. This is especially true given the times we are living in when our enemies deny the truth of the Shoah.

I was there and I tell you I witnessed G-d's Presence on the Biemer. This arguablycould be considering his work for the Jewish People, the holiest man on earth. You must think about that. And he is but a man. So, do you think that Hashem has any issue sharing this mission and message of need to his people on the holiest day of the week. I think not. It was perhaps our Rabbi's finest moment bringing this Holy Man to our shul to elevate our souls and that is what he did, for us and those he has raised to have a proper Kaddish. It was the first time on Shabbat I have seen a standing ovation, I think G-d was applauding as well.

How sad that the people applauded the priest and gave him a standing ovation. It is forbidden by Jewish law to applaud anyone in shul, all the more so give someone a standing ovation, even if it would be the biggest rabbi in the world. We are not allowed to kiss or hug a person in shul for the same reason. To show our undivided love for Hashem. For this reason alone, it was improper to have him speak in shul.

You said a "controvery arose" and "it's a tough one" because "Christian theology has no place in a synogogue." According to your description, Father Patrick Devoid (sp?) was not at the synogogue to preach about Christian theology, he was there to report on his work obtaining confessions about Holocaust atrocities in Belarus and the Ukraine during 1941-44. Jews need friends, and the Orthodox community suffers from a reputation for rigidity and closed mindedness. If observant Jews cannot welcome this priest on Shabbat to hear about his unique and invaluable work to benefit the Jewish community, then we are truly lost. After all, Catholics read the same Tanach, including Deuteronomy 16:20 ("tzedek, tzedek tirdof"), and clearly, that commandmant has inspired this priest. To paraphrase Hillel, if we don't encourage and welcome him, who will? And if not now, when?

IF THE PRIEST IS DOING GOOD FOR OUR PEOPLE THEN HE DESERVES TO HAVE A PLACE IN OUR LIVES, WHEREVER AND WHENEVER, IF HE DID IT, IT WAS MEANT TO BE.

I am Rabbi of the Young Israel of Woodmere who hosted Father Desbois in Shul on Shabbos morning. I am against Jewish - Christian theological discussion as per the instructions of Rav JB Soloveitchik. It is wrong for you to suggest that "Christian theology" was present in Shul that morning. It was not! Jesus was not mentioned. He told the people about his work in finding the mass graves of murdered Jews.That is all. I too share your sensitivity that some people might feel uncomfortable about the presence of a priest in Shul. That is why we announced his coming weeks in advance. Those regular attendees who wanted to daven in a different Minyan had the opportunity to do so. There were no surprises! Father Desbois came after services ended and did not wear a collar. He was dressed in civilian clothes- a suit and a black kippah. With respect - Heshie Billet

I think you did a fine thing by inviting him; it sounds like he showed appropriate respect for his audience and for the location. I could only wish that the commenters here could bring themselves to reciprocate.

I do remember when they were times we didn't have enough room in the synagogue so we went to church or in Mormon churches and schools to do the prayers On the high holidays we did do that as the Jews so can they do the same thing the priests it is a house of prayer we have to move little bit better and try to understand each other as Christians Muslims and Jews that is my comment would have to ease up it was only a conversation and somebody likes to speak about the Holocaust I am Sephardic born in North Africa Morocco and I understand to be very helpful and I thank him personally for making that speech have a good day and a happy Hanukkah

I believe that it is very appropriate to have invited the priest on a Shabat morning and it also shows our tolerance to other religions.

A priest or any nonJewish person should not speak in a synagogue. The Jewish Federation should be the Jewish community Agency that sponsors non religious forums. The Synagogues have become the main forum for political, legal and Updates on the latest news. One Temple sponsored a forum on the pros and cons of the updated law on the state lottery vote. The forum was on a Friday night service. Another Synagogue featured the Effects of the new Supreme Court Of John Roberts. The Priest doesn't know the difference of speaking in a shul or speaking in a convention center. The question should be why don't Jews stand up and protect Judaism? Don't let gentiles decide for you what you should do? Our B'nai Brith ate dinner at A Japanese restaurant I order fish and salad, my friend order a salad that had scrimp and bacon in it. He only hestitated and then ate his meal. Shabbath is not the time to discuss sorrow, the Shul is not the place and the priest is not the person.

So he is a priest big deal! He wasn't there to convert you he was there to discuss his work which benefits our community. If your honestly worried about interacting with people of other faiths you should ask yourself why- is it that you or your children aren't strong enough in your yiddiskite, or you fear that your children aren't? If that's the case you need to work on that but the way to do it is not by cutting yourselves off from the world at large because eventually you will have to enter the "real world"!

Should a priest speak in a synagogue ? This is a vexing question My view is that being the man he is, he could speak in a synagogue but then not in front of the Aron ha Kodesh from where the rabbi normally speaks Whether on Shabbat or not is to me not the issue As long as his address is distinguished by where he is speaking from I see no problem He clearly is a holy and inspired man - a lover of Jews

That the priest was not in his garb and the nature of the speech was to edify and educate at a time when most people would be in attendance (i.e. Shabbat) to hear, very good indeed. Also for those who did not want to hear they could still pray and leave after the prayers, also good. In such exceptional circumstances, providing it is clear that 'no agenda' is on the cards as demonstrated in this case with the priest in ordinary clothing, fine. Sadly we Jews are all too aware of the 'previous' agendas of the church. Have we got to stage where we might be so fickle/ ignorant to be deceived by the priest's presence /speech, I hope not!

It depends on the motivation of the Priest. There is a teaching in Catholicism that instructs Catholics to befriend and sort of disarm non-Catholics for the purpose of "showing them the love of the Christian's savior, and ultimately bring them into the Church". If this is the ultimate motive, I would respond with disappointment and caution. If however, the motive is benevolent, I mean real tzedakah without the desire for personal gain for him or his Church, then the verses about those who bless Israel... come to mind. Aside of that, I can only guess that the Rabbi felt that this work was so important that he wanted to make the entire congregation aware of it, and that Shabbos was the most opportune time to do so since most of his congregation would be present. It seems there may be more to the story to look into...

i understand the question. i can appreciate rabbi billet's decision to maximize the impact on both the congregation & hakaras hatov to the priest for the work he's doing. therefore, i agree with rabbi billet in having him speak after davening to a very large group. i can also understand the sensitivity of some people that would probably have preferred him speaking in the social hall. however, with the amount of people in the building having to shift locations, it would have become a ba-al hagan & alot of people would have left & not heard him. thus to conclude, i agree with rabbi billet's decision. the people that heard him speak were amazed & awed by this priest's massive undertaking.

It's America - lighten up and let the golech speak

I'm unsure why the relevant halacha has anything to do with people's feelings about Catholics or catholic history. The first question one should ask is whether we consider Catholics to be idolaters. If the answer is yes, then (given that he isn't speaking as a priest but as a historian) the question is whether you would allow another scholar who happen to be catholic speak in the same slot.

This Priest should be given the highest honor for doing and accomplishing what no Jew has, or would be able to do. Should he be shown around to the back door, or greeted at the front door? Of course in the Synagogue, after davening. He is not part of the service, and you still have a captive audience. I truly feel sorry for any Jew, or Synagogue, who, in this day and age, is so prejudiced.

This man has done incredibly work and should be heard by the community. However Saturday morning is not the time for it--during the week in the evening is the best time. As a matter of fact the audience will probably be larger on a weekday evening. I remember a speech Simon wiesenthal gave in Great Neck on a weekday night and the Temple Rabbi, in his introduction said, "I never saw so many of my co-religionists in one place on a weekday night," or something colse to that. The ONLY exception I could make is if the speaker was based someplace else and would not be able to speak during the week, but all things equal during the week would be best. Remember, he was not making a theological address and is a proven friend.

What if the person was a Jewish student who had just spent a year in Israel? No one at all would have qualms about that person speaking. However, right after davening on Shabbat is probably not the most appropriate time. There would be a separate setting. The speech might still be in the synagogue, and is part of the Jewish experience, but the timing isn't quite right. The same applies to the priest. His speaking in a synagogue is fine (as long as he doesn't poke himself in the chest and forehead like Catholics do or as long as he doesn't pray through his secretary -- you know the name). However, the speech needs to be at a different time. I'm not sure how I feel about it being on Shabbat, but I do feel it should not be right after davening so that it resembles a part of the service.

Perhaps it would be helpful to visit recent history for prospective. I was a close friend of Robert Drinan S.J., formerly dean of the Boston College law School and a member of The US Congress for ten terms.While he may have upset many Roman Catholics in the Boston area (and elsewhere) he believed strongly that in as much there were a large number of Jewish people within the area he represented, it was his responsibility to learn and involve himself in issues of these people.. He not only spoke in Temples but traveled many times to Israel, strongly supporting their interests far over and above his interests as a Congressman but within his concerns as a Mench. Jews here in the Boston area never, to my knowledge, expressed any concerns about his presence in a Shule at any time of the week. I hope this is helpful because this priest you describe certainly falls in the same category as Father Drinan.

Father Drinan was a professor at Georgetown Universtiy Law Center when I was a student. (He taught there until his final illness.) He was a great advocate for international human rights, and he treated all his students with respect and kindness, regardless of religious affiliation. I am glad to see you draw this analogy.

The very name means that it is appropriate to have discussions, after a prayer service, or at any other time. We must know, record and learn about every aspect of the Holocaust, whoever is the messenger. Also, dialogue with members of other faiths is never wasted.

The priest was not speaking or representing Catholic theology he was speaking about something he was doing for the benefit and good of Jews and the nefashot who have remained in unmarked graves and unidentified. We always want gentiles to work together with us and now when one does, we complain about his talking about his work in a shul. Those who complain should be ashamed. He should be allowed to speak even if only for shalom with the goyim amongst whom we live. Be assured that I am not a big fan of interfaith services etc. However, objecting to this man speaking in a shul is counter productive and smacks of the same idiotic stupidity that goes on now in Bet Shemesh.

I believe it was correct for several reasons. First, he was not in his priestly garb nor was he speaking about theology, rather about the work he is doing. Work, I may add, that no one else is doing and maybe that no one else would be able to do. As such, as a righteous gentile, he deserves the right to be able to speak in the shul on shabbos to share about his work. I've known churches that have had rabbis come speak in their services on Sundays about the Holocaust and various topics and I don't hear any Jews upset about that.

considering the catholic church financed and condoned the Holocaust, and extracted nazi war crimminals to south america through the rat line, while saving a few Jews, shows the diabolical intent to play both sides. never trust rome!!!!

Hw wasn't talking about theology. He wasn't trying to convert anyone. He wasn't wearing his priestly garb. He was there as a human being not as a priest. For al the work this man does for jews, why should he not be able to see Jews In practice- to see the community he's participating in remembering.

His words may be gold. Mikdash Hashem is even more valuable and everything and everyone has their place. Our own talk may be wonderful and purposeful, but what type of talk, where and when is covered by Halacha. We do not talk even our perfectly honest business activities in a Bais Hakneset. Yes, talk what you must, but not in a Shul. The holy place reserved for communication direct with Hashem deserves and requires measured acceptance of what can and cannot be placed there. This event sounds just a bit over the limit. A respectful, worthwhile meeting might have been better placed in a Shul hall at some other time.

This man believes that G-d had a child and he calls this child his lord and savior! We as Jews know how INSANE this is! He was flesh and blood . G-d is beyond anything we can even phathom and to say that he had a child! And they PRAY TO HIM! How does G-d feel about this? And to let this man speak in His house! On SHABBOS! Please do not get me wrong as far as my feelings towards non jews. I have many many non jewish friends and know that they are children of G-d and I treat them as such. They are some of the most kind and wonderful people I have ever met.This priest is doing an amazing job and will get much reward for what he is doing but he one thousand percent should not be talking in a shul, probably by the bimah in front of the aron hakodesh oy.

There are plenty of things in the Torah that people can call "insane". (I don't mean for a second that the Torah is insane or untrue, just that if you take things out of context, you can certainly paint it that way.) The same goes for every religion.

This man is doing a tremendous job.....no words can describe his awesome task that no other man (priest or no priest) is doing!! BTW....I wonder how much lashon hara was spoken in this shul during davening....oh, but having a man of G-d speak AFTER the services....oh my!!!

Shabbat is our, the Jews, holy time with G-D. A Synagogue on Shabbat is not the time and place for any other than a Jew to be speaking about anything. How can there be respect for Hashem,, blessed be his holy name if we allow those who do not even believe in him alone to intrude in our Shabbat services? Who would even want such a thing to take place? This man's work is very commendable and it is good for his soul and the souls of those who finally admit to what they have known for over 65 years and kept secret. Hashem,bless his holy name, will reward them as he deems it to happen. Please my brothers and sisters do not allow such interweaving of these other religions into our sacred times and places.

Controversy is right. Why do they do this on Shabbat is the question. Someone who didn't want to listen to a Priest give a talk, would have to stay home. Should someone have to give up being their, because of that? Was there someone their, that related to the Priest in a Catholic way, in a way no Rabbi has before? Clerics look out into their congregation week after week, seeing the looks on peoples faces, sure some think that person or that person is in the wrong place. Was the Priest, looking for his lost sheep? The same thing happens in other religions also. It's like the new thing. Should it take place on Shabbat--No. Should it take place--Sure, for those that are interested. Can't deny though, people switch religions sometimes over this, because they could relate to a Cleric from a religion that is not their own or the former one they left behind. What is put out there is inter-faith, acceptance of other religions not of your own, an understanding to help promote peace between them all. Worthy deed, given the choice at a time you still can keep Shabbat. If you feel, as the example of a Priest--and you know he stands in the office of Jesus in the here and now, and with that knowledge would see it as an abomination to have "Jesus" speaking in the Synagogue, that could create a problem in some. Is the purpose to get people situated in the right religion for them? Worthy deed, cast lots and see where people land. I think this Priest could promote more peace by speaking in Catholic Circles on the sabbath, and spread his good deeds where it can make the most differences that would count big time. Invite him to speak on another day. Wish I could remember the names of the Rabbi and Priest that team tag a comical debate from NY. That kind of thing, to make us laugh at our differences, does wonders for inter-faith dialogue. For those who choose to get in on it. Many Rabbis and Priests are good friends, they want to share their comradeship with us.

I believe inviting the priest on Shabbat was indeed the correct thing to do. Here is why: First and foremost this man is a human being and we are all a part of that category. Secondly, he is a minister. Would that we had been blessed to have more humane ministers who were willing to stand up for the right thing in that infamous time. And, how does it sully our prayers when we can say thank you and give regard and respect to a person from another religion in our midst? We must not reach a point of isolationism to such a degree when G-d is giving us a clear opportunity to honor someone who is truly honoring us by his devotion to our own ethics. I feel it would be actually somewhat insulting to insist on having this man speak at another venue...and I applaud whichever synagogue took the lead in inviting him as they did. Thank you so much for this forum...it is a wonderful open spirited offer to all of us who read and listen to the Aish site to take these suggestions for discussion at home and amongst our friends. All the best, Naomi

HELLO NAOMI VERY ELOQUENTLY SAID.

Rev. Patrick Desbois is a scholar and historian as well as a priest. As a scholar and historian he has every right to speak in an Orthodox Synagogue about the incredible work he has and is doing. I agree with Alfred Marton's comment that he is a righteous gentile. However because he is not Jewish and not just because he is a Catholic Priest, he should not have been invited to speak in the Synagogue's Sanctuary on Shabbos morning. I believe it would have been and would be preferable to invite Rev. Patrick Desbois to present his invaluable research either on a Sunday morning or evening or on a weekday evening. An accompanying dinner or reception afterwards would be very appropriate to honor Rev. Desbois. I know I would be interested to listening to Rev Desbois lecture on his research.

Dear Rabbi What if My ancestors had been murdered there. I'd be the first one to ask "Did you hear anything about My family?"

Rabbi, I am a former Roman Catholic, who after a pastoral education and following revelation of my biological ancestry being Jewish, myself converted to Judaism this past year. I am very familiar with most aspects of Roman Catholicism. Personally, I do not believe it appropriate for a Christian cleric (of any denomination) to address the congregation following prayers in the Synagogue. I absolutely support inter-faith dialogue and ongoing conversation, but would prefer these situations presented during week days and in community centers. I am not anti-christian to the extent of exclusion in all regards, however, I feel very strongly that our sacred time together as worshiping Jews retain the sanctity of our tradition. Obviously, whenever we are presented with opportunities to acknowledge and honor the work of those who have brought acts of atrocities against Jews to the attention of the larger community, we should welcome them and be gracious for their humanity. Yet, I would find this distracting and difficult to digest in Synagogue, and especially during Shabbat. Thank you so much for the thought provoking issue. Shalom

This tells a bit about the French man named Patrick Desbois. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/06/world/europe/06priest.html?pagewanted=all - The article tells where he is from and how he became interested in telling this story. It also tells how he came to be a Catholic priest, since that seems to be the crux of the conflict about his speaking in synagogue. He probably should have been advertised within the Jewish community so all could come and listen to his story whether secular or religious Jews. The dissent about his being in synagogue on Sabbath or after prayers, seems petty when given the scope of his story. Probably another time or another place might have been better to get his message out to more people. But to have barred him from synagogue because of his religion would have been mean spirited. The secular Jews in the area as well as non-Jews should have been invited by the synagogue to hear him speak as well.

A priest speaking in a synagogue or a rabbi speaking in a church may result in some interfaith awkwardness for some, but it is a good opportunity to hear different points-of-views...I think a priest speaking in a synogogue is essentially progress, particularly this one who helped save Jews and/or recover the mass Jewish graves during the holocaust in the Ukraine and Belarous...As for other interfaith and cultural awkwardness, while there tends to be some Jews and Israelis who will make a critical documentary of Israel from the Palestinian POV, Bill Maher did (cynically) mention that it would be a long time to come before a Palestinian makes a documentary from the Israeli POV...However, there are roughly a handful or so of Arab people who do in fact support Israel....All in all, as for this priest helping recover the graves of those Jews who perished, I wonder how long it will be before the Vatican makes an apology to the Jewish world/community, given all the 2000 years of anti-Semitism, as fueled by the anti-Semitic language in the Christian bible's New Testament. If only such language wasn't there, there would've been so many Jewish lives spared over the past 2 millenia.

I can see the discomfort of many people. This is an issue that requires thought. My feelings are that since he did not come as a priest i.e. to discuss theology or interfaith-whatever and since it was after the prayers and not at the time when the rabbi usually speaks, I think it was ok especially since the man is doing work that is helping to find these mass graves. He is also probably the only kind of a person who COULD do this work since people open up to him. I can also say without a shadow of a doubt, this would never happen in my shul.

He will be burried as a righteous gentile. Why not allow him to speak in a Synogogue at any time?

I can't help but think how someday our souls will rest in the same place, their will be no synagogue or church. In the "arms" of G-d.

Jewish souls and gentile souls do not have a common ultimate destination. You need to study some theology for clarification. I am sure that the Aish Hatorah rabbis would be more than happy to accomodate you in your quest for knowledge and truth.

Jewish bodies and gentile bodies have a common ultimate destination. What happens after that, we can only speculate. Might as well try to be nice to each other while we're here.

As observant Jews, we don't do anything without first asking a 'sheilah' (question of a Rabbinic authority.) Our Rabbis who are presented with such sheilos are much better versed in Jewish law and also are more sophisticated and perceptive of implications that the layman would not even be aware of. We need to get used to not trusting out own limited judgment, and, instead, defer to the vastly superior judgment of our esteemed Rabbis in issues such as this one, which impacts on the entire Jewish community.

If you really believe that our rabbis are that much more sophisticated and have such superior judgment, then your life is far too sheltered (and you really don't know very many rabbis!). And, even if you were right, I'm not sure what your point is here-- obviously, the rabbi of this shul permitted it, so the sheila was asked and answered (and who are you to question a male who passed the bechinos, anyway?).

it is common to have guest speakers in many shuls; but that does not make them 'belong' to the shul we've had the pleasure to have Rabbi Benjamin Blech at our shul after he was a guest speaker at a Conservative shul, R Blech came for mincha, and seuda shlishit and even spoke to us ... but he doesn't 'belong' to either shul - and we were very comfortable with him! he assured us the feeling was mutual; perhaps if the priest was speaking in the beit midrash many may have felt uncomfortable; but it is ok to be uncomfortable, growth is uncomfortable! and perhaps the pursuit of truth for this priest is also uncomfortable as is the pursuit of truth to most christians (I was sent to a catholic school - it was not comfortable!) reducing issues to simplistic questions is not going to get us an intelligent answer either. Nor a comfortable one. Orthodox Rabbis will also make mistakes, and will take chances for our benefit. What might go over well in one Orthodox shul may not cut it in another one. The Rabbi has to know his audience and communicate accordingly. Even in aish shuls! what if this is the thread that leads this priest to reconcile with Truth? who are we to deny him access to truth? We are our own worst enemies. We need to practice what G-d wants of us, the 13 attributes - truly.

I assume the priest was not lecturing on Catholic theology. This would be forbidden for us to sponsor and listen to, whether in a synagogue or elsewhere. To speak on his findings with regards to the Holocaust may not be wrong, but should not be spoken in the sanctuary of a synagogue whether it be shabbos, yom tov or a regular weekday. In my opinion, if such an event is allowed based on questions to a competent rabbi, I would feel more comfortable it occuring in a social hall rather than a synagogue.

There is absolutely no reason I can think of for someone feeling uncomfortable with a priest speaking in a synagogue. Rabbis have spoken in churches before. I am sorry, I just don't get it.

Daniel, Orthodox rabbis generally don't speak in churches and generally, priests are not invited to Orthodox synagogues. I'm not saying that non-Jews are bad people or that their presence would desecrate our synagogues but Orthodox generally prefer to keep separate from non-Jews in the synagogue. Our beliefs are different than theirs, and the synagogue is a place of religion and worship, not a social hall.

Come on Rabbi, lighten up a bit. Don't you know that it is the season of giving? The priest is doing a good deed. If Beck, can speak to the Knesset, then why can't the priest speak in the synagogue? There is such an argument. But, it is false. Why were Aaron's sons killed? Why was Moses almost killed and his wife came to his rescue? The idea of kosher and holiness are woven into the fabric of being a Jew. It does not say, "except in the case of a nice person." Rather, what is one of the three worst sins? It is idolatry! Does one allow a nice person into one's place of worship if one knows that the person practices idolatry? That is the real question! The issue is not that he has done so much good work for us or that he has saved so much historical data or that he has even saved a million Jewish lives. As horrible as that sounds, and it is horrible, everyone has to ask a simple question. Those who have lost their lives, would they condone such an action? Did they not believe knowing that they were about to die? And here we have a situation where someone is being nice, doing some historical work, and the response is: but, it is a good deed? Are we forgetting the season we are in? Anyone paying attention to the Aish headlines? The only way around this is to have an honest debate and determine if Christianity is a religion that believes in One and only G-d. Thus far, we are not convinced. Therefore, why befriend idolatrous nations? The consequences might follow!

i agree with your point. some ppl are missing the point- its not that he will try to convert others- but its the ideal he stands for which are against ours! it is also true that we jews accept everyone regardless, but they have tortured our ppl plenty of times in the past. however think of it this wat- a priest means nothing to us in our religion, right? so as long as he is doing good for a good reason who cares who he is?

I don't see the problem. The man is a holy man. The Jews have the place. They are already together. It is a matter of interest to them. He is not talking theology. He is not conducting Jewish rites. Jews are supposed to be healing the world. The man is healing. Yes there is the danger that a precedent can be set and other speakers may not fulfill all the qualities that this speaker had. So, don't abuse the precedent.

As a catholic, any speech from anyone is not welcome in church before or during mass. That's not why we're there. Afterwards, after mass was completely over, all who wanted to, could stay and see what he had to say.

...as far as I am concerned, the Halacha allows any gentile to enter a Synagogue; and this priest was not proselatyzing in any way, shape or form or talking abouth his faith. The only thing is that it should have been planned for a weekday,definetely not on Shabbat .

I think that this priest does deserve time in the synagogue. He is not there to convert others, he is doing his research out of love and respect for the Jewish People, then he should be shown that kind of love and respect from a congregation. The synagogue is a building for community, and he is enhancing that community. Love does not have limits to one faith or anther.

Is the Gentleman in question going to talk about Catholicism in the synagogue, or the Holocaust? If the latter, then surely this is justified because the Holocaust is an integral part of Jewish identity -- perhaps as integral as Israel, which is talked about in shul all the time. . Rabbi, aren't you focusing too much on who the man is rather than his deeds?

Priest Dubois is a very sensitive man. I don't think converting people is ever on his mind when speaking to a Jewish audience. Since he is speaking about his work on the Holocaust, I don't see a problem with his visit in a synagogue.